Episode 72: Health is Wealth

Description:

Learn how the principles that provide for great health also provide a mechanism for building great wealth. Dr. Radha Gopalan, author of the Second Opinion, joins Tom in the discussion.

SHOW NOTES:

04:29 – The Being, Doing, Having Principle

08:59 – How Your Internal Dialogue Directly Affects Your Health

12:31 – Self Worthiness And Its Affect On Health And Wealth

14:37 – Five Levels Of Emotional Intelligence And Control

23:20 – Victim Mentality And Health And Wealth

26:58 – Why You Should Not Give Up Control Of Your Health And Wealth

Transcript
Announcer:
This is The WealthAbility® Show with Tom Wheelwright. Way more money, way less taxes.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
Welcome to The WealthAbility® Show where we're always discovering how to make way more money and pay way less taxes. Hi this is Tom Wheelwright, your host, founder and CEO of WealthAbility®. We are in a healthcare crisis right now. We are also in a wealth care crisis. What most people don't understand is that the same principles that provide for great health also provide a mechanism for building great wealth. Today we have the expert on this topic. Absolutely in all the world we have the expert, Dr. Radha Gopalan. Radha is a good friend of mine. He's taken personal care of me as a physician. Radha just so great to have you on this call. Thank you for being here.

 

Radha Gopalan:
Good morning Tom. Thank you so much for having me on the show. I'm excited to share some of the information with you and your viewers.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
I appreciate that. Tell us a little bit about you Radha because you have really an amazingly diverse background. I would just love the listeners to get an idea just what kind of background you got, because it is truly unique.

 

Radha Gopalan:
Thank you, I'll be very brief. I was born and bred at a young age in Sri Lanka and was exposed to some of the cultural religious aspects of it as well as the health and lifestyle of being healthy. From there I moved on to England, lived in London for about five years, spent a total of five years in London. Looked at the European way of health and the principles. From there, moved on to the Caribbean, lived in Granada for an accumulative time period of about two years. From there, I came to the United States. This is all pursuing my Western medical aspect. When I was in London, I spent about three years in London itself working as an acupuncturist.

 

Radha Gopalan:
In my early stages of medical school in Sri Lanka, I learned acupuncture. Collectively some of those experiences and pointers that I will be discussing today is drawn out of Eastern philosophies and principles of health and obviously I'm a Western medical practitioner. I am a heart transplant cardiologist in one of the university institutions in Phoenix Arizona. It's interesting to mix, compare and contrast both of these aspects of health. Then obviously extending that to why these principles and thought processes is going to serve as the same principles to build wealth.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
I appreciate that Radha. So Radha, your book is Second Opinion. This is a great book. I read it and I've been fortunate because Radha and I both hang out with Robert Kiyosaki every Friday. I'm very privileged to hang out with Radha. I've heard a lot of this in seminars and so forth from you Radha. What I'd like to do is, I'd like to actually walk through, you go through several principles and types of disease. You go to each different organ and types of disease and what the emotional state is in order for that disease to take hold. Can you just give us a little background? Let's just walk through one by one. Because what I want to do is, what I noticed is when I was reading your book is that all of these areas, as you talk about this emotional intelligence for health and what it takes, they all have an impact on building wealth, which is my expertise. If you would, just give us a broad overview and then let's get into one by one, starting with things like cancer and heart disease, etc cetera.

 

Radha Gopalan:
Yeah, absolutely. It's very interesting. The prime idea is, the Second Opinion, the book is about being. It's based on the being, doing and then having principle. We do have principle. The entire book is devoted to who you are being, is what's going to drive who you become and how successful you are, whether it's the world of health or wealth. Obviously the book dwells on different diseases and different beings and how that directs the path of the health of an individual. The same can be drawn, equally drawn on the wealth side. It's about being, rather than doing.

 

Radha Gopalan:
Then obviously your being drives doing. It's a very interesting interaction Tom, between being and doing. In order to be, you actually have to do things. In order to do, you have to be a certain type of person. It is not mutually exclusive, it's actually inclusive and they both have to be equally paid attention to. But at the end of the day, what wins is how you are being. I think I can see from your viewers perspective how they're being and I'm sure you have more knowledge on this, how they are being is going to what determines ultimately how success work. You are in the wealth space.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
For sure. What I've learned over the last 20 years spending time with Robert and Kim Kiyosaki and you and the other advisors and everybody else around is that, building wealth is very much about personal development. It's very much about who you are and your capacity for building wealth. It's not about you can't do it, it's like context and content. Context being the glass and content being what goes in the glass. Well, you can't fill the glass unless the glass has a solid foundation.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
If it has cracks, et cetera, then you're not going to be successful and you got to make sure you got a big enough glass. What we're talking about today is a lot of the context. We talk about content all the time on this show and it's very practical. But what I find in your book is that this is actually very practical from a standpoint of personal development when it comes to building wealth. We're in this healthcare crisis right now, obviously a lot of people, not only do they have healthcare issues but a lot of people out of work, a lot of people with less work.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
A lot of businesses shut down from a wealth stand point and completely out of their control. What we're talking about is ways to actually bring control back into your life during a pandemic. To me, that's a little piece of magic Radha that you bring. If we can, let's start with the one that always comes to my mind is, let's start with cancer. But you talk about how you got to have this genetic predisposition first, right, then there's got to be an emotional reception. You got to be receptive to the illness. Am I saying that right?

 

Radha Gopalan:
Yes and I think that rather than reception, the emotional component of that weakens your predisposition further to make it easy for the disease to manifest. Whether the disease will manifest or not, depends on most of your emotional component and how deep and how strong that emotional component is within you. For example, if you look at it, the entire premise Tom, is the fact that, I mean look, we live in a world that is surrounded by a lot of triggers, a lot of stresses and you can't control that.

 

Radha Gopalan:
It's like, if you're on a sailboat and you're in the ocean and that becomes turbulent, do you really want to control the ocean or you want to control the sail? The first and foremost, your success depends on controlling the sail. That's the way I look at health and I'm sure that that's the way that you look at wealth. Your glass analogy is controlling the sail. Once you control the sail, everything else seems much easier to go. In that respect, if you look at our internal emotions, that plays out 24/7 with the exception of when you sleep.

 

Radha Gopalan:
It is always in us and it has glass ceiling, I would say a little voice and I call it internal dialogue. Some people, and it's widely known as internal monologue. I decided to get the monologue out of it, but it is an internal dialogue. We can argue about the terminology, but at the end of the day, it's what you tell yourself, which is going to determine how successful or how failure you will become. Cancer, as you brought it up. When we looked at patients who came for a transplant of different organs, including bone marrow transplants and cancer.

 

Radha Gopalan:
When you interview them, an interesting pattern emerged and that pattern is, all of them have a sense of I am not worthy. For somewhere along the line in their life, whether it was early childhood, teenage, early adulthood or even sometimes seniors, they have been made to feel that they're not worthy of living. Now that ignites internal dialogue, if they did not get rid of it by either doing emotional cleansing by means of counseling or processing or something else, they did not face that. It sits like a seed in the depth of their mind and undermines their longevity by leading to diseases that prematurely end your life. In cancer, we found looking at the patient, that was the, I'm not worthy. I'm sure you can draw a very good parallel with regard to, I'm not worthy in that space of wealth.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
Well for sure. Thank you for that Radha. I learned this in my own life, okay. If you think about your life and you think about where you are financially and you want to get higher financially, we almost all have a glass ceiling. But it's a ceiling we set on ourself. Listening to you and then what I've observed in my own life, I think that glass ceiling we set by our being worthy, are we worthy to be wealthy? For example, I found myself a couple of times and only in the last few years through a lot of like you said, processing and counseling and so forth and really recognizing this in myself. Have I been able to break through this barrier?

 

Tom Wheelwright:
What happened was, I would do really well and then I would basically give all the money away, not on purpose. But the reality is, is I would go back to where I was or just a little bit better than where I was. I kept building, coming down. Building, coming down. I kept asking myself, why couldn't I get through that barrier? What I finally realized was, there's definitely this worthiness. Am I worthy? Is it okay to be rich? There's a lot of dialogue right now that being rich is bad. I think that's a horrible, horrible dialogue. Being poor is bad. Being rich is not bad. If everybody were rich, we would not be having this dialogue. This is not a dialogue about the rich being rich.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
It's a dialogue about the poor being poor. What our mission is at WealthAbility®, is to give people control over their ability to create wealth. Well, part of that control comes internally. Part of that control is learning how to get past that, in this case a worthiness issue. But we're going to go into some of these other illnesses that also have corollaries from a wealth standpoint. But I think that worthiness is a big one. That's why I wanted to start with that one Radha, is because for myself, that's been a major issue. Once I got past that, it just had a huge impact. What I have to keep in mind is, is that it's always there.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
It's not like one day you feel unworthy and then the next day you feel worthy. This is a constant process we work on. I know that you do a lot of meditation for example, and yoga. My wife, you know very well, Luanne, she does a lot of meditation, a lot of yoga. People will walk into a room with Luanne and they'll go, “I want to be like her.” You have that same energy Radha I know. That's really where, okay can we have that peace so that we're not feeling like, wow, we can't have this. We're not worthy of this. We're not worthy of health. We're not worthy of wealth. Does that make sense?

 

Radha Gopalan:
Absolute sense. I think that question of not worthy is what is the primary barrier to breaking that glass ceiling that you talked about. Emotions, it's very interesting. As human beings, we have our inner self is built on five levels. But one of my biggest teaching points to anybody that I get to talk to is, you cannot control your own set consensus if you cannot control yourself within. If you can control yourself, who you are within, then you have all the power to control the outside. If you look at it that way.

 

Radha Gopalan:
Then the next question is, controlling within, what are you talking about? You break that down into five different levels, your physical, mental, emotional, spiritual and then of course, finally an unknown level that we all possess, but we ignore that fifth level, the unknown level. Having said that, the emotion is in the middle. I created in the Second Opinion a triangle that puts all these levels. The emotions in the middle. There's a reason why it's in the middle. It's in the middle because this is the most powerful level of a human being.

 

Radha Gopalan:
Emotions can either break you or make you. I already talk about here that for example, I'm unworthy or all other internal dialogues that lead to other diseases, is stemming from the emotional plane. If we can control the emotional plane, as it's the bridge, the spirit from the mental level, you're able to actually gain access to the spiritual level and finally to the universal level. You talk about emotional intelligence, in fact controlling the emotional intelligence and working on it, really gets you to spiritual intelligence and then universal intelligence. Once you hit universal intelligence, you're open for success.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
Hey, if you like financial education the way I do, you're going to love Buck Joffrey's podcast. Buck's a friend of mine. He's a client of mine. He's a former board certified surgeon. He's turned into a real estate professional. He has this podcast that is geared towards high paid professionals. That's who he's geared towards. If you're a high paid professional and you're going, “Look, I'd like to do something different with my money than what I'm doing. I'd like to get financially educated. I'd like to take control of my money and my life and my taxes”, I would love to recommend Buck Joffrey's podcast which is called Wealth Formula Podcast with Buck Joffrey. I hope you join Buck on this adventure of a lifetime. Why do you talk so much about meditation? Why is that such a practical answer?

 

Radha Gopalan:
The meditation has several benefits, Tom. But in this regard, the first thing that meditation does, it disassociates yourself from your own emotions. I don't mention that in a pathology profession. You don't have a disassociated disorder. But what it does, it allows you to objectively look at your own emotions and not get caught up in it. That's the first thing meditation does, because that is one of the processes of meditation, is letting go. We get caught up in emotions because we get up in emotions. We are then circling in that emotion and making decisions, emotional decisions. Just like having emotional eating. If you can become very objective about your own emotions, then you can make a much better decision as to how to not just handle an emotion, but what kind of decision you're going to make in your life. That has this tremendously purposes in moving forward. It aids in the health and wealth aspect.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
That makes total sense. You talk about letting go. Let's talk about heart disease because this is a big one. It's particularly been raised big because of COVID. The numbers keep coming back that people with heart challenges have major challenges with this COVID-19. What's the emotion? What is that that is the trigger for heart disease?

 

Radha Gopalan:
In heart disease trigger long term dialogue, it's I am not loved enough, so these are patients and individuals who feel they are not adequately loved or they lack love. In reality, they may have people around them and they maybe love them, but it's just within themselves they feel they are not loved. There are other folks who are truly not have that love. But there are folks who are loved by others, but in their mind they cannot accept it that they are worthy of loving. At the end of the day, it all mix us together. But the predominate feeling is, I'm not loved enough, so the emotion that's attached to the heart is love. Out of that emotion arises some degree of fear.

 

Radha Gopalan:
But fear is not always associated with the heart. But that is the internal dialogue. For example, I can give you a personal experience. I'm a cardiologist myself. I live the life of a cardiologist. I do everything I tell my patients. I eat right. I did yoga. I did acupuncture, everything, exercise. You call it. I don't smoke nor drink, nothing except social alcohol. At age 44, I had a heart attack myself. You can look at the leading cardiologist and say Mr. Cardiologist had a heart attack. That would be a sign for my patients to leave me and go somewhere else. Because how can you be a cardiologist telling them and doing the same thing you are telling your patients and fail yourself?

 

Radha Gopalan:
That should open my eyes. I went inside myself and explored about my thought processes. Which is same as what I found out with my transplant patients, you are not loved enough. That is one of the things that I can tell I had at the back of my mind and had to work on it. But interestingly enough, 50% of the patients who have a heart attack will have another heart attack sooner, within a couple of years. I haven't had a heart attack in 14 years, and the reason for that is, I work on my internal dialogue and make changes. It pans out to be true, no matter how way you look at it.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
Yeah and I look at this, I equate this somewhat. For me, it's about approval. I call myself an approval whore because I've learned through a lot of counseling and so forth, that approval is a big deal to me. Words of affirmation. The Five Love Languages, that great book. Mine is words of affirmation. I want that approval. This is the seeking that love, that affirmation that yes, you're loved. What I find is, as I look back on my financial health, that seeking that approval has constantly caused me financial issues. When I look at really wealthy people, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, all of these guys. Elon Musk. You never see them saying, I want approval. Not even once.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
They're not seeking approval. They don't need approval. They're not feeling this lack of love. If they were, then guess what? They would have this issue. They'd have this issue with money as well as with health and to me that's where that connect is. Wow, if we can get past that, then guess what? Now it just, like you say, it's letting go. We're no longer worried about it, we're just doing it. It's just what it is. You mentioned that. That it is what it is. There are things we can control, which is ourselves and things we can't control, which is the world. Let's go at another one. What's another emotion that might trigger a particular health issue?

 

Radha Gopalan:
Take kidney for example. Patients who have acquired kidney transplantation, passed through in seclusion in our clinic for cardiac clearance and we had the opportunity to observe them. Most of the patients who required a kidney transplant had in stage kidney disease, had this internal dialogue of I need to be taken care of. They almost acted as if they're children. Its nothing to do with them. When you observe them, it almost feels like you need to take care of them, than them taking care of themselves. They've sort of regressed. That kind of internal dialogue making you regress in personality is what manifested as a predominate personality in patients with kidney disease.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
Is the same as like a victim mentality that's this victim hood?

 

Radha Gopalan:
Yes, there is a victim mentality in there. I think cancer also has something of a victim mentality. If you really piece out these different feelings and emotions, there are lots of gray additions of these emotions and there is overlap. But what you can see is victim kind of thinking process with I need to be taken care of, childlike behavior, is what's predominate. Now imagine, could you become a successful entrepreneur if you had that kind of, I need to be taken care of mentality?

 

Tom Wheelwright:
That would be the biggest no ever, Radha. Of course, that's what's going through my mind and our listeners, is that if you're a victim, you have no control and basically you want other people to take control of your life. This is why people don't open their investment statements when they come from the broker. Just, you take care of it. You hear athletes say, “My guy handles that.” “My person handles that.” We all actually had people at WealthAbility®, we'll have them come to us and say, “Look, I don't want to deal with this. You just handle it.” I'm going, “Well in my business I can't, because if I'm not working with you, I can tell you what to do, but I can't do it.”

 

Tom Wheelwright:
From my standpoint, I'm in a way, a wealth physician, a tax physician. Because what I'm telling you is, I can diagnose it like you diagnose a heart issue and I can tell you exactly what you need to do. But unless you're willing to take control and do it, there is nothing I can do. I can't change your taxes. All I can do is report what you do. I can't change what you do. I always say that if you want to change your tax, you have to change your facts. But you have to change them, I can't do that for you. If you're feeling that, oh I need somebody to take care of me… I sometimes seem to be the champagne socialist and they go, “Well we need to take care of these people.”

 

Tom Wheelwright:
No, what we need to do is, we need to give them the tools to take care of themselves. Do they need proper healthcare? Absolutely. That's a huge crisis in our country especially. Do they need that? For sure. At the same time, do they need the education? Do they need to be able to build themselves and take care of themselves so they go, oh wait a minute, I can actually do this myself.” A perfect example, we were talking earlier and I was saying, “My doctor”, who you know very well, “she comes to my house.” My wife and I are very much at risk for the-

 

Radha Gopalan:
COVID [inaudible 00:26:13].

 

Tom Wheelwright:
COVID and both of us would very sick. I was in the hospital earlier this year with the flu and my wife is an asthmatic. This is serious stuff to us. We don't go out very much. We always wear mask. We won't go anywhere where everybody else isn't wearing masks. That's how important this is to us. But here's what we know, is that our doctor, we share a primary care physician, comes to our house to give us vitamin fusions. Comes to our house to help us. Comes to our house. Guess what? Those visits and everything, they're not paid for by insurance. Those are out of pocket costs.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
The fact that we can afford that, means that we have better healthcare. One of the scariest things to me about this whole virus has been, what if I have to go to the hospital? We actually know somebody who got COVID in the hospital. They went in for something else and got COVID in the hospital. I'm going, that is not where I want to be. Right now, we're seeing this big increase in cases. We're seeing hospitals starting to get overwhelmed again. The great thing for us is, our doctor's been very clear. “I'll come, I'll take care of you. You'll be fine.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
We won't get you to the hospital. It would have to be a horrible, horrible result for us to ever get you to a hospital.” I'm going, we can do that because we have the wealth, the financial capability of doing that. My wife and I, you know we're both entrepreneurs. We both have our own businesses. We both control our own livelihood. To me, this idea of giving up control, I'm a bit of a control freak, I guess. But the idea of giving up control to somebody else, while I want to let go of all the things that are interfering, all that internal dialogue, I don't want to give somebody else control over my life.

 

Radha Gopalan:
Right. I completely agree with you. It's interesting you say that because patients with kidney disease, they almost give up control and have everybody else and expect the world to take care of them. The control is a two-edged sword if you looked at it. Then if you live in an [inaudible 00:28:41] and whether you have a persistent sense of lack of control, that actually [inaudible 00:28:48] to diabetes. Its an interesting play. Then if you looked at diabetes, diabetes causes kidney disease.

 

Radha Gopalan:
You can see the inter plan and cyclical function of these consenting emotions that's playing within your mind, unless taken care of. It's going to take a lot of the energy preventing you from becoming successful and then prevent clarity of thinking. Then if you don't have clarity of thinking, your decision making processes are affected. Then you end up making decisions that are not optimal for you and then have this see saw effect of winning, losing, winning, losing instead of having winning, winning, winning. Getting and breaking the glass ceiling you were talking about.

 

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Tom Wheelwright:
Before we wrap up here, one of the, I think great benefits of this pandemic, I'm a bit of an optimist. I think taxes are a way to build wealth. I pretty much see the world through rose colored glasses. But I think one of the benefits that I keep hearing from people I associate with, particularly entrepreneurs, is that this pandemic's giving everybody a chance to reassess themselves. Reassess where they are. What's really important to me? To me, this is a time when we can do exactly what you're talking about.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
This is something where we can actually take some steps to take back control of our health. It's not just losing weight. I love that Boris Johnson in the UK, he got COVID pretty early on. He was pretty sick. He's lost a lot of weight. He looks great. It's really impacted him. I think if we take this opportunity to really think about this. My question for you Rahda is, meditation is one thing that we can absolutely do to help our being. I'm a huge believer. Can you give us a couple of other practical things? What can we actually do over the next few weeks and months to make an impact on this being, this emotional intelligence, if you will?

 

Radha Gopalan:
Yeah, great question Tom. I think it's easier to think in two ways. I divide that into two things. You have your physical actions and physical body and you have your thinking process and your mental emotional body and mental emotional intelligence. What you can do, the things that are easier to do is, one of them is, one of the areas that affect our emotional intelligence is our eating habits. Food and how we reach out to food when we are in different emotions and different food taste good. You are emotionally driven to eat and when you have conflicts. Physical cleanse. Essentially one of the easiest thing to do is to start cleansing yourself. As you said, the pandemic is like a tap on the shoulder, it gives you an opportunity for those who survived to re-look at what they have been doing and create a new chapter.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
You're talking about a basic detox, right? Even one of these most basic four or five day detox programs that you can pretty much buy at Target. That you can even do that. I know you guys do much bigger ones. But even something like that, would it be helpful?

 

Radha Gopalan:
I think that'll be a great start, Tom. This is about training yourself to start a new lifestyle, a new pathway. You are changing the facts. As you say, you want tax, you change the facts. You have to change the facts about health and it will in turn change yourself. So yes, detox to start with and then progress in that respect to longer and longer ones, so that you can actually affect what we call neuroplasticity. That means change in yourself. It takes an average of 18 days to 258 days to change yourself. Different individuals fall in that spectrum at different lengths of time.

 

Radha Gopalan:
It doesn't necessarily mean you have to do it at the first time for 258 days, it can be accumulative effect. The first thing is doing a physical cleanse and starting small that you become a small winner and that reinforces your actions rather than initial failure and then you give up and go back to what you were doing. I always encourage people, start small, do something simple and observe how you feel, how you function. If you really like how you feel, how you function, go for the next step, don't stop there. That's on the physical side.

 

Radha Gopalan:
The second thing you can do is what is called emotional cleanse, which is about handling emotions and mental acuity and mental thinking process and clarity of thinking. That is where meditation comes in. That's one area of it. Meditation helps, which is something you can do yourself, 15 to 20 minutes a day. That's all it takes. We can always cut down watching TV and then do 20 minutes of meditation. There is time. It's all about balancing time for that. But there are other things you can do which might involve paying money. I'm not sure, insurance doesn't always cover it.

 

Radha Gopalan:
The interesting aspect of insurance is, if you don't have a disease, medical insurance won't cover the treatment. But disease has nothing to do with being healthy. You won't have a disease. You want to be healthy but insurance won't pay for it. You have to pay it out of your pocket. That's what you are doing in your life to be at peak potential. You can go for counseling and processing and other areas of emotional cleansing to let go of all these redundant baggage that is within us.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
One last thing that is big to me because it makes such a big difference in my life and that's exercise. Because exercise is free. You can go running. You can go walking. A bicycle is not very expensive. There's a lot of inexpensive exercise. What impact does that have? I can tell you from a financial standpoint what it does for me. I'm spoiled. I have a 25 meter pool in my backyard and I'm a swimmer. But I find that when I'm swimming, for one thing it clears my mind. But the other thing is, it's sharpens my senses so that it's easier for me to see obstacles. It's easier for me to have that emotional intelligence because I can see a lot more clearly. I presume that's actually a real thing, right?

 

Radha Gopalan:
It is. Exercise, if you exercise for more than 25 minutes in one setting, moderate exercise, that's been shown to be beneficial in scientific studies. Exercise actually, I think both sides are what I just mentioned, physical cleanse and emotional cleanse. How does it do physical? On the physical side, you have to sweat. Your internal organs have to function faster and rapidly and eliminate toxins. You're actually detoxing your body every day when you exercise. Especially [inaudible 00:36:31] exercise.

 

Radha Gopalan:
Then mentally, the brain secretes endorphins and other hormones that are happy hormones. We call it happy hormones. It makes you happier. Makes you feel more optimistic and more energetic. Then your thinking processes become much more clearer. I can't think of a day, if I don't exercise, the next day I'm sluggish. But when I exercise, the next day I'm going at it. I have more energy, more clarity, more thinking processes and feel lighter. As you pointed out, you're right on the spot about the benefits of exercise and it is free and it is relatively cheap. I just don't know why people don't do it all the time.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
Well I have to admit, I grew up swimming competitively. I love doing that. I know some people don't love doing that. I can't imagine that because I do love the endorphins. I will admit, I fully love the endorphins. I love how it makes me feel. I just enjoy it. I feel very fortunate. I grew up in a household where everybody exercised, everybody swam. All my brothers were swimmers. This was a natural thing for us. I grew up playing tennis and golf and swimming and running and biking and hiking. All these kinds of things. Of course, we're fortunate, you and I because we live in Arizona so the weather's always okay. Even when it's hot, five O'clock in the morning, it's still okay to do a run or a swim five O'clock in the morning. So there's always a time to do this. I just want to thank you Rahda. I know how busy you are. Last thing, where would we find more information about Second Opinion and what we can do here?

 

Radha Gopalan:
The Second Opinion is sold at every… You can find any bookstore that sells books. It's available. You can order it through Amazon, Barnes and Noble. You can order it through our practice Ultra Healthy Human. You can order it from there. Then finally, my next book is about health actually, it's called Survival. It is actually piggy backing on this tap on the shoulder we talked about with the pandemic and that will be released in January. It's called Survival. That actually gives, not just context that you talked about earlier in the show, it also gives you some content. About eight steps, how to start this. The last question you just asked me, give me some steps that I can do. It condenses into eight steps. Then a reader can just easily do it without having to reach out to anybody else.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
That's awesome. Dr. Radha Gopalan, thank you so much for being with us. Please, I hope everybody listen to this, watch it over and over again because having this understanding of how we build our health is so applicable to building wealth. The reality is that, yes there are some things that are free, but unless you're building wealth, it is tough to get good healthcare. Not all doctors are alike. I know that very well. Not all vitamins are alike, the same quality. Not everything is as good as it is when you have the money to get the very best.

 

Tom Wheelwright:
We notice that the people who have done well, even though when they've gotten sick with COVID-19, they've been taken good care of. They've got good healthcare. A lot of the poor and those people without good healthcare have not had that benefit. It's my encouragement to everybody that as you learn these things, just take a couple of small steps. I'm a huge believer in meditation. I meditate. I'm a huge believer in exercise. I'm a huge believer in what Dr Gopalan is talking about. I know that when you do these things, you're always going to make way more money and pay way less tax. Thanks, until next time.

 

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